The Fall . Punk or not punk ?

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The Fall . Punk or not punk ?

Post by wankel » Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:05 am

I know Mark says not and I respect his words.
But as an ex punk who was knocking around in those halcyon days , having without a doubt the best times of my life , I cannot personally accept that songs like
'Industrial Estate , Bingo Masters Breakout , No Christmas for John Quays , and more were not British punk songs.
And they certainly lack nothing because of it. 
Yes they were different from the mainstream punks. And better of course. But so were Wire , and Joy Division to name two. Both of who still affiliate themselves with the UK punk scene.
The poetry , the group , the attitude all gelled into my favourite group and lifted them above everyone else.
They are still , no matter the changes , my favourite group. They've progressed and shape shifted by light years since those days.
But I still can't blind myself to their initial punkyness ! 
Any thoughts ? 
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Re: The Fall . Punk or not punk ?

Post by freeranger » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:17 am

I don't think the fall were punk, they were a reaction to punk
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Re: The Fall . Punk or not punk ?

Post by avsp » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:52 pm

Both!

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Post by Syd Barrett » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:47 pm

idc

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Re: The Fall . Punk or not punk ?

Post by steven's song » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:04 pm

Surely they were 'post punk' along with PIL, Wire etc.

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Post by Syd Barrett » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:57 pm

i think so too, at least at first, but, i dunno, i think its annoying to have to categorise because like.. i mean i put my stuff sometimes in folk (i was embarrased at first).. or rock.. or blues... but its somewhere in between these things or something, im not saying it "defies categorisation" but, i dunno, i just get annoyed at the limited range of options. it doesnt matter really and its convinient but.

i dunno like alot of the Falls stuff i would be pressed to put in a category, its pretty unique.

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Re: The Fall . Punk or not punk ?

Post by wankel » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:40 am

You've a nice voice .
I've heard it .
You invited me yo listen to Spreaker so I did.
You sound quite posh.
Like Syd . He had quite a posh accent to.
Probably said "fuck " less than you though lol.

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Re: The Fall . Punk or not punk ?

Post by Syd Barrett » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:51 am

thanks :)

yes :)

well i was really alot more posh then. that interview about the painting really makes me laugh.

this one http://youtu.be/4xRaVTKDipA

first of all cos of the slow motion faces. LOL WTF. embarrasing.

and also cos i am literally just talking complete rubbish LOL.

and they are like OMG ITS THAT FUCKING GUY WHO SAYS ALOT OF DEEP SHIT, MAN

and im so fucking posh its just ridiculous. but also annoying. give me my mans voice back you bastards.

but yeh im from the west country, cirencester, which is quite posh.

but yeh i swear alot now. lol. :mrgreen:

im actually gonna listen to that again now cos i can relate to it more and i wanna hear what im fucking banging on about. i dont remember it or saying those things and its interesting that im saying i feel like a prisoner or something. also GIVE ME MY FUCKING VOICE BACK.

its all like filtered through that body and that upbringing and i really, really fucking miss it, especially being a man, i dont know whose stupid idea it was to come back as a woman, maybe i thought i would like it lol. DOH.

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Re: The Fall . Punk or not punk ?

Post by wankel » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:02 pm

Surely wire were punk !
Live at the roxy....
They were definitely a punk band when we saw them.
So...... :arrow:

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Re: The Fall . Punk or not punk ?

Post by Syd Barrett » Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:37 pm

i dont like alot of punk music tbh, its not really my kind of thing.

post punk i like much better.

sometimes i feel like i was a post punk in like 1972 or whatever lol heres a pic of me being all ahead of me time and that lol

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